Grace Jones on race: Were all human beings & thats it, so I dont even go there

July 2024 · 3 minute read

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Grace Jones covers the new issue of Paper Magazine. It’s actually a great read, because Jones is like a Tilda Swinton-like figure at this point, more alien than human, otherworldly to the point of confusion and enchantment. Jones is still promoting her memoir and her promotional whirlwind has been hilarious because she doesn’t give a crap about bad-mouthing the current crop of pop stars. You can read the Paper Mag piece here. Some highlights (plus some additional quotes from a radio interview she did this week):

The internet: “[It’s something I unlearned a long time ago… [I have problems] knowing what’s real. I just find that it’s a lot of sh-t to sort [through], and I don’t have time. So I just don’t indulge in it at all.”

She doesn’t know about hashtags or Black Lives Matter: “I’ll have to look it up!” Race is something she attempts to brush aside in conversation in favor of optimistic “universal love” rhetoric, seeing as how “we’re all human beings and that’s it, so I don’t even go there.”

On political correctness: “I think it’s is the worst term ever. I never liked it,” she says, likening it to fascism in the sense that she believes it staunches free speech. “I’m pretty radical about this politically correct bullsh-t, because it’s the complete opposite of freedom.”

On Kanye West: “Kanye has been ripping off stuff from me and Jean-Paul Goude for a long time, so it was no surprise to me. I believe they would’ve done it anyway, and I believe Jean-Paul when he said he’d rather rip himself off than have someone else rip him off.”

Whether Jean-Paul Goude’s work is racist: “The work [Jean-Paul and I] did together, people were calling it racist. It wasn’t racist at all. It was him basically putting me on a pedestal, really,” explaining that no matter what the intention, there would be someone eager to point fingers and deem something “problematic” — even if she can only see the positive intent, staunchly defending his work. “There’s a lot of humor in that picture in that original, (with) the champagne popping off. As an artist, you know, he probably just wanted to have an ass like that.”

On Lady Gaga: “Gaga came to me, and I just could not find a soul. I come from church — maybe that has something to do with it. I like to get to the soul of a person. I just didn’t feel a soul. She might have been freaked out with meeting me. This happened. It’s okay, but then we met three times after, through [Philip] Treacy and, boy, I got so angry.” Angry, Jones explained, because she felt that Gaga was ripping her off when it came to sporting the designer’s work. “I know Philip needed to make some money, but you know what, can you just wait until I finish my tour before you repeat what we are working on?”

[From Us Weekly & Paper Magazine]

If you’re confused by some of the quotes about Kanye and Goude, I’m sorry. There’s some explanatory stuff in there that just seemed excessive. The basic gist is that Kanye specifically referenced a Grace Jones photoshoot (by Goude) several years back, when he used Amber Rose as his muse. It was a mess. So that’s what Grace was referencing. As for her words about Gaga… I can see that. I can especially see it if that went down several years ago, when Gaga was cycling through looks/personalities at a steady clip and there wasn’t much “there” there. As for Grace’s thoughts on political correctness and race… it’s weird that she’s basically saying the same words as Donald Trump, right?

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Photos courtesy of Paper Magazine, WENN.

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